September 12, 2003

horseplay in harappa

This entry over on Phluzein [via varnam in re "It all flowed from Sarasvathi river" by V. Muthukumaran] reminded me of an issue of the Indian journal Frontline that I'd read recently but had forgotten to blog. One of the authors of one of the articles, Steve Farmer, has a page with a plethora of links. There's also a lot of information over on the Electronic Journal of Vedic Studies regarding the Indus valley inscriptions, e.g., "Aryan or Dravidian or Neither? A Study of Recent Attempts to Decipher the Indus Script (1995-2000)" by Iravatham Mahadevan. There's a whole lot of ink being spilled and names being called between folks on both sides of this whole whence Sanskrit (autochthonous or import) issue.

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I hate to say it, but in my experience linguistics, as practiced by Indians, is a morass of unscientific method awash in blatant nationalism of a kind that has not been acceptable in other parts of the world for a century or so (excepting the obvious totalitarian regimes). The fact that the hypothesis of a "monosyllabic Sanskrit" is taken seriously enough to refute is telling. I doubt that the Harappa script is decipherable unless bilingual texts are found.

Posted by: language hat on September 12, 2003 03:41 PM

Aw, come on now, LH, Panini wasn't that much of a nationalist, was he?

Posted by: jim on September 12, 2003 05:39 PM

I hate to say it, but in my experience linguistics, as practiced by Indians, is a morass of unscientific method awash in blatant nationalism of a kind that has not been acceptable in other parts of the world for a century or so (excepting the obvious totalitarian regimes).

What is your basis for making such sweeping statements ?

Posted by: JK on September 13, 2003 10:02 AM

Having been subjected to a lot of bad Indian linguistic writing. I'm not saying it's a universal truth, but it's my experience. But you're right, jim, things were different back in Panini's day.

Posted by: language hat on September 13, 2003 08:56 PM

I can't talk on linguistic matters, as I am not an expert on this subject.But I feel sorry when I find how the proponents of OIT & AIT abuse each other.This type of debate doesnot make environment for proper discussions,research and study.Both sides have some crucial points which the contesting side is not able to answer.While absence of Horse & chariots with spoked wheels in IVC goes in favour of AIT(immigration)supporters,the drying up Sarasvati goes in favour of OIT supporters.

However,there are certain suggestions which needs to be seriously considered. One such suggestion is whether Sarasvati of Rigveda is the same as that mentioned in later Vaidic text which mention drying up of Sarasvati.Some scholars have made a strong case that Sarasvati of Rigveda is actually a major river of Afganistan.Later on when Aryans migrated to NW India they transported some of the river names also including Sarasvati.

I myself, primafaci, donnot agree with the above view because I find it syprising that Aryans named a dried up river as Sarasvati which they held in such an exaulted position.Moreover,do we have evidence of settlement of comparative antiquity on the banks this Afgan river? Further,even if it is assumed that Aryans were still in Afganistan,they must have learnt about this massive Indian river Sarasvati as Afganistan was not far off from Punjab.Thus,to me this theory doesnot appear to be very attractive.But I feel that scholars should study and explore this theory.
The Indian river Sarasvati must have been a great river during IVC time as is evident from numerous sites of settlements identified along it's course.However,accuracy of it's time of drying up needs to be ascertained.Perhaps dates estimate on the basis of satelite pictures may not be that accurate.More accurate estimates are required.

Thanks
cps

Posted by: C P Singh on September 24, 2004 04:03 AM

cps-- Unfortunatelky, it's the sort of thing you see in academia and elsewhere all the time. Discourse quickly moves from reasoned argumentation to mutual abuse.

Posted by: jim on September 24, 2004 07:42 AM
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